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		<title>Toasted Rolls of Goodness</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What&#8217;s more ordinary than a sandwich for lunch? In the U.S. maybe not much. This week we visited The Sandwich Emporium on Clairemont Drive and their specialty sandwiches put a delightful twist to the lunch tradition of putting stuff in bread. This weeks special guest was DotMan from ShootDotEdit. The popular choice was the Spicy [...]]]></description>
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<div>What&#8217;s more ordinary than a sandwich for lunch? In the U.S. maybe not much. This week we visited <a href="http://www.sandwichemporium.com/">The Sandwich Emporium</a> on Clairemont Drive and their specialty sandwiches put a delightful twist to the lunch tradition of putting stuff in bread.</div>
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<div>This weeks special guest was DotMan from <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com/">ShootDotEdit</a>.</div>
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<div>The popular choice was the Spicy Julio which included roast beef, pepperjack, avocado, grilled onions, lettuce,tomato, mayo, dijon mustard on a toasted roll. Three out of six of us ordered it and were very happy with it. It was also a very good deal for only $6.49 and for $2 extra you could double the meat for double the happiness.</div>
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<div>If you are in the Clairemont area and in need of a delicious sandwich I totally recommend this place.</div>
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		<title>WPPI 2008!!!</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alright, here we go, another year of WPPI! WPPI (Wedding and Portrait Photographers International) is the biggest photographers convention in the world, with other 10,000 photographers traveling to it last year. All in all, its an absolute blast for a photographer to go to &#8211; huge tradeshow, tons of great speakers giving presentations, parties and [...]]]></description>
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<p>Alright, here we go, another year of <a href="http://www.wppionline.com">WPPI</a>!  WPPI (Wedding and Portrait Photographers International) is the biggest photographers convention in the world, with other 10,000 photographers traveling to it last year.  All in all, its an absolute blast for a photographer to go to &#8211; huge tradeshow, tons of great speakers giving presentations, parties and catching up with old friends.  Oh, and did I mention its in Las Vegas?  <br />I have the honor this year of speaking on a Platform Topic at this year&#8217;s convention.  I&#8217;ll also be speaking at a couple of tradeshow booths.  Below is my schedule for the week:</p>
<p>Sunday:<br /><a href="http://www.pictage.com">Pictage</a> is hosting a half day photo conference, with some great speakers and a wonderful &#8220;Ladies of Photography&#8221; segment.  This starts at 1pm and goes through the afternoon.<br />That night, Bronson and I will be at a <a href="http://www.livebooks.com">liveBooks</a> dinner and then to <a href="http://www.sarafrance.com">Sara France</a>&#8216;s soiree!  Last year was a wonderful party, and this year they have a suite at the MGM.</p>
<p>Monday:<br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q5IaEhVzI/AAAAAAAAA50/y85h95E5qg4/s1600-h/speakerImage.taf.jpeg"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q5IaEhVzI/AAAAAAAAA50/y85h95E5qg4/s400/speakerImage.taf.jpeg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5177654275704182578" /></a><br />8:30am, <a href="http://www.merakoh.com">Me Ra Koh</a> is presenting on &#8220;Associate Your Way to The Top&#8221;, which is sure to be amazing.  Me Ra and her husband Brian are wonderful speakers &#8211; you can&#8217;t help but instantly fall in love with them.  They are also great friends of ours &#8211; we&#8217;ve been blessed to know them through their relationship with <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a>.  Me Ra and I are teaming up to offer some awesome discounts on our DVD&#8217;s and info packets, so you won&#8217;t want to miss her talk!</p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q5aaEhV0I/AAAAAAAAA58/hlKr9DscJrI/s1600-h/speakerThumb.taf.jpeg"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q5aaEhV0I/AAAAAAAAA58/hlKr9DscJrI/s400/speakerThumb.taf.jpeg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5177654584941827906" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.michaelandannacosta.com">Michael and Anna Costa</a> will also be presenting at the same time, which is a huge bummer for me as I want to see both!  These two are a wonderful <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">photography team</a> out of Santa Barbara, and have a really neat style to their images.  Anna interviewed me a few months ago for her new photography forum <a href="http://www.photoforthepeople.com">Photo for the People</a>.</p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q5pqEhV1I/AAAAAAAAA6E/9HkAZ_wdNhA/s1600-h/speakerThumb-1.taf.jpeg"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q5pqEhV1I/AAAAAAAAA6E/9HkAZ_wdNhA/s400/speakerThumb-1.taf.jpeg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5177654846934832978" /></a><br />And <a href="http://www.mwphoto.net/">Marc Weisberg</a> is ALSO speaking at 8:30am in a Master Class segment.  Marc just joined the <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a> crew, and I&#8217;m really looking forward to learning more from him over the coming years!  Going to be a busy morning!</p>
<p>3:00pm &#8211; <a href="http://www.livebooks.com">liveBooks</a> booth:<br />Our brand new website, which should be coming out in the next few days, was put together by liveBooks.  We&#8217;ve been so blessed to start working with them, and our new site is looking absolutely fantastic.  Bronson has been working tirelessly with the design team to get it done by WPPI, and I will be speaking at the liveBooks booth on &#8220;Adding Associates&#8221;.  </p>
<p>6:00pm &#8211; <a href="http://www.pictage.com">Pictage</a> WPPI Party &#8211; always a blast, it will be great to see all our Pictage friends.  And afterwards, who knows &#8211; it is Saint Patty&#8217;s day!</p>
<p>Tuesday:<br />9am:  Can&#8217;t say much (mainly because I don&#8217;t know much), but we&#8217;ll be doing some <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a> filming for the morning for a new video we&#8217;re working on.  Thanks to <a href="http://www.cinematicstudios.com/">Ron Dawson</a> for helping us out with this!</p>
<p>11:30am: Time for the <a href="http://www.thirstrelief.org/">Thirst Relief</a> mentor session.  If you missed my posts on this earlier, WPPI teams up with Thirst Relief every year to do a photographer auction.  <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">Photographers</a> can bid to have some mentoring time with other photographers at WPPI, and all money goes to a GREAT cause.  Thirst Relief is doing some awesome things and I&#8217;m proud to be able to contribute some time for them.  I&#8217;m looking forward to meeting <a href="www.rowenacurtis.com">Rowena Curtis</a> and answering any and all of her questions!</p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q6IKEhV2I/AAAAAAAAA6M/Z6mfOU6Mihk/s1600-h/speakerThumb-2.taf.jpeg"><img style="cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/R9q6IKEhV2I/AAAAAAAAA6M/Z6mfOU6Mihk/s400/speakerThumb-2.taf.jpeg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5177655370920843106" /></a><br />7:30pm: My platform presentation!  Two hours of speaking in front of who knows how many hundreds of people!  Its alright, I&#8217;m actually not that nervous (yet . . . ).  My topic is &#8220;Business 101, Structuring Your Business for Maximum Profit&#8221;.  Basically, in a nutshell, I&#8217;m going to present on how to set up your business so it will be viable, but still afford you the luxuries a business needs to provide for you!  I&#8217;m so blessed to have such an amazing team around me here at <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">Bauman Photographers</a> &#8211; it allows me to focus on my strengths and still have time away from work.  I&#8217;d encourage any <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">photographer</a> to come check it out &#8211; I can promise you&#8217;ll walk away learning something!  Also, Me Ra will be on hand and we&#8217;ll be blowing out our DVD&#8217;s and info packets &#8211; you&#8217;re not going to find a better price on those than at the presentation <img src='http://www.baumanphotographersblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Wednesday:</p>
<p>10am: back at the <a href="http://www.livebooks.com">liveBooks</a> booth for the &#8220;Adding Associates&#8221; presentation!</p>
<p>11am: at the <a href="http://www.pictage.com">Pictage</a> booth hosting Q&#038;A with <a href="http://www.joebuissink.com/">Joe Buissink</a>!  I had the pleasure of meeting Joe, an icon in the wedding photography industry, a few weeks ago.  To share time on stage with him is an honor, and I&#8217;m really looking forward to this hour.  </p>
<p>Phew &#8211; then its home for me on Wednesday night!  What a week!</p>
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		<title>Pictage Partner Conference</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bronson, John, and I just returned from Pictage&#8217;s Partner Conference in Los Angeles. Pictage puts on two conference&#8217;s each year for their photographers from around the country. Its a great event that we look forward to every year. We get the chance to hang out with friends from around the country, and learn from some [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bronson, John, and I just returned from <a href="http://pro.pictage.com/community/ppc/la2007/">Pictage&#8217;s Partner Conference</a> in Los Angeles.  <a href="http://www.pictage.com">Pictage</a> puts on two conference&#8217;s each year for their photographers from around the country.  Its a great event that we look forward to every year.  We get the chance to hang out with friends from around the country, and learn from some of the best.  <br />I had the honor of <a href="http://pro.pictage.com/community/ppc/la2007/jared-bauman.shtml">speaking</a> at both conference&#8217;s this year.  I will have one final presentation on this topic in Las Vegas in March at the annual <a href="http://www.wppionline.com/">WPPI</a> Convention.  So if you&#8217;re a photographer and you missed it, make sure to come check it out! </p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAKh1n79I/AAAAAAAAAgk/p5O1c_lxMUQ/s1600-h/0046.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAKh1n79I/AAAAAAAAAgk/p5O1c_lxMUQ/s400/0046.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108014319759314" /></a><br />Nobody ever wants to sit in the front row . . . <img src='http://www.baumanphotographersblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAKx1n7-I/AAAAAAAAAgs/C-_eq5vdmsA/s1600-h/0047.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAKx1n7-I/AAAAAAAAAgs/C-_eq5vdmsA/s400/0047.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108018614726626" /></a></p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAKx1n7_I/AAAAAAAAAg0/OCToFvDKXWA/s1600-h/0055.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAKx1n7_I/AAAAAAAAAg0/OCToFvDKXWA/s400/0055.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108018614726642" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">Bronson Pate</a> even got in on the speaking action this year</p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurALB1n8AI/AAAAAAAAAg8/6YXWGFVRw7Q/s1600-h/0251.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurALB1n8AI/AAAAAAAAAg8/6YXWGFVRw7Q/s400/0251.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108022909693954" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">John Yao</a> demonstrating his supreme editing skills to another photographer</p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurALB1n8BI/AAAAAAAAAhE/CvHlELoUaNE/s1600-h/0289.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurALB1n8BI/AAAAAAAAAhE/CvHlELoUaNE/s400/0289.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108022909693970" /></a><br /><a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">dotMan</a> made his first ever public appearance at Partner Conference.  He was there to hand out shirts and save the world from the evil&#8217;s of post production.  If you&#8217;re a <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">photographer</a> out there and you&#8217;re still doing all your own <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">post production</a>, make sure you check out <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a>.</p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAWh1n8CI/AAAAAAAAAhM/DxqouQ9yUo8/s1600-h/0291.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAWh1n8CI/AAAAAAAAAhM/DxqouQ9yUo8/s400/0291.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108220478189602" /></a> <br />A lucky photographer sporting his new shirt</p>
<p>We went to a party that Wednesday night put on by <a href="http://www.showitfast.com">ShowIt</a> and <a href="http://kissweddingbooks.com/">Kiss</a> Wedding Books.  They had a photo booth there, so we the three of us jumped in there with local SD photographer <a href="http://www.jeffyoungren.com">Jeff Youngren</a> and his wife Erin<br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurGDx1n8GI/AAAAAAAAAhs/oB0FLoNXzQ4/s1600-h/IMG_8608.JPG"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurGDx1n8GI/AAAAAAAAAhs/oB0FLoNXzQ4/s400/IMG_8608.JPG" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110114495425409122" /></a></p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAWx1n8DI/AAAAAAAAAhU/22tPLcbeBqU/s1600-h/bed_jumping_la_001.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAWx1n8DI/AAAAAAAAAhU/22tPLcbeBqU/s400/bed_jumping_la_001.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108224773156914" /></a><br />Moral of these two images &#8211; never let three photographers alone with a camera and nothing but their creativity.  We started messing around in our hotel room with <a href="http://jeffersontodd.com">Jefferson Todd</a>, an amazing photographer from Arizona, and this is what we came up with.</p>
<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAWx1n8EI/AAAAAAAAAhc/00FaHtlTBjA/s1600-h/bed_jumping_la_002.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_jZc_1uj6eaQ/RurAWx1n8EI/AAAAAAAAAhc/00FaHtlTBjA/s400/bed_jumping_la_002.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5110108224773156930" /></a><br />Thanks to <a href="http://lorenscottphotography.com/">Loren Scott</a>, a great photographer out of Temecula, for taking these great images.  <br />All in all, another wonderful conference.  We had an amazing time hanging out with photographers from around the country, and learned a lot.  See you all next year!</p>
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		<title>ShootDotEdit!!!</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 06:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For those of you who didn&#8217;t know, Bronson and I started a post production company for wedding photographers called ShootDotEdit. The basic idea is that, as wedding photographers, we are no where near finished with the workload once we finish shooting the wedding. Each wedding takes anywhere from 10-25 hours to edit. You can imagine [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those of you who didn&#8217;t know, Bronson and I started a <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">post production</a> company for <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">wedding photographers</a> called <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a>.  The basic idea is that, as <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">wedding photographers</a>, we are no where near finished with the workload once we finish shooting the wedding.  Each wedding takes anywhere from 10-25 hours to edit.  You can imagine how crazy things are during the summer when we have to dedicate that much time to editing each wedding the way we want it!<br />Enter <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a>.  The company was started to provide high quality post production for the <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">modern wedding photographer</a>.  <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a> allows the <a href="http://www.baumanphotographers.com">professional photographer</a> to outsource their post production editing/workflow in order to make better use of their time and energy. <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">ShootDotEdit</a> returns high quality images at a fractional cost compared to what a photographer earns at a wedding. In the end, you can spend your free time marketing your company or relaxing with family and friends &#8211; its your call!<br />Sounds pretty good huh?  Make sure you check out the <a href="http://www.shootdotedit.com">website</a> in you&#8217;re interested <img src='http://www.baumanphotographersblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br />In conclusion, I thought I&#8217;d also post the ShootDotEdit song &#8211; made up on the spot by Bronson, completely off the top of his head.  Pretty brilliant if you ask me.  I think he missed his calling . . . .</p>
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